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le Lun 25 Nov 2019 - 17:55
Frisson a écrit:Je pense aussi que le Tubik et la Révolte allait vraiment dans la bonne direction... C'était FUN,  séduisant.

... pas industrialisable du tout.
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le Lun 25 Nov 2019 - 18:19
On aurait au moins pu espérer quelque chose qui se rapproche de la Revolte sur la C3. D'une certaine manière, elle me rappelait beaucoup la C3 I qui s'inspirait déjà de la Deuche dans la forme.
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le Lun 25 Nov 2019 - 18:29
Vilyon a écrit:
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alpha a écrit:Je confirme. Embarassed
Si tu ne trolles pas, on est deux à le trouver esthetique ce DS3CB ...

Je l'ai deja dit, mais un peu moins cher et avec un toit pano, je le prenais plutôt que la 208 ...

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J'en suis aussi.
Je ne dirai pas non plus qu'elle est magnifique mais en tout cas elle est beaucoup plus digne d'intérêt que le Q2 sick
J'en vois quelques unes par ici et elle ressort bien du reste de la circulation Smile
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le Lun 25 Nov 2019 - 19:32
jeremy.klaxonne a écrit:
Frisson a écrit:Je pense aussi que le Tubik et la Révolte allait vraiment dans la bonne direction... C'était FUN,  séduisant.

... pas industrialisable du tout.
Extérieurement et sans parler du coût, la Revolte me semblait tout à fait industrialisable. Elle n'était pas si éloignée de la New Beetle.
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le Lun 25 Nov 2019 - 20:07
La Revolte cela aurait pu être fait, mais en étant fortement adouci.
Par contre le Tubik....Disons que techniquement aussi, mais bon là faut être prêt à débourser plus de 100000€ par unité. Very Happy
Sachant que les deux véhicules n'étaient que des exercices de style, et que la Revolte a été ajoutée au dernier moment pour le salon.
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psykokwak a écrit:
jeremy.klaxonne a écrit:
Frisson a écrit:Je pense aussi que le Tubik et la Révolte allait vraiment dans la bonne direction... C'était FUN,  séduisant.

... pas industrialisable du tout.
Extérieurement et sans parler du coût, la Revolte me semblait tout à fait industrialisable. Elle n'était pas si éloignée de la New Beetle.

Oui, elle a été prise pour la future DS2 pendant des années par beaucoup de journaux.
Je pense qu'elle aurait pu avoir son petit succès. Encore 10 ans après (oui c'était 2009 !) le concept n'a pas pris une ride !
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 16:14
En 2020, les gammes Citroën et Peugeot seront réduites à 5 modèles chacune en Chine.
La gamme moteurs sera également réduite aux 1.2 et 1.6, comme en Europe.

Carlos Gomes a écrit:Jadis, Citroën et Peugeot comptaient 16 produits en Chine, Citroën en comptait 8 et Peugeot en présentait 8. Nous voulons maintenant les réduire. Nous ne conservons que d’excellents modèles. Tous les aspects de la conception, de la technologie et des équipements de modélisation sont très modernes et avancés. D'ici 2020, nous réduirons les 16 produits Citroën et Peugeot susmentionnés en Chine à 10, qui deviendront 5 pour chaque marque. Notre objectif est de supprimer certains modèles qui ne rapportaient pas auparavant, ou que la reconnaissance relative du modèle et celle du consommateur ne soient pas très bonnes, et que nous nous concentrions sur les modèles dotés de capacités premium supérieures
http://info.xcar.com.cn/201911/news_2044536_1.html
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 16:20
Peugeot:
- 2008
- 4008
- 5008
- 308
- 508L

Pour Citroen, c'est plus complique entre les C4 AC recent qui ne se vend pas, C-Elysee en fin de vie, C4, C5 recemment lifte, C6 bricolee... Reste C5 AC
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 17:20
Chez Citroën, je pense que ce sera :
- C-Elysée
- C3 XR
- C4 Aircross
- C5
- C5 Aircross
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 17:23
Ca parle d'une Peugeot 608 pour la Chine????

https://k.sina.com.cn/article_7268980030_1b143d53e00100j2m0.html?cre=tianyi&mod=pcpager_auto&loc=18&r=9&rfunc=55&tj=none&tr=9&from=auto

Peugeot can't sit still, 608 hits the peak of face value, want to compete with the Asian dragon?
Peugeot can't sit still, 608 hits the peak of face value, want to compete with the Asian dragon?

Indeed, for most car fans, the initial impression of a French car comes from Peugeot. Back in the year, Peugeot had also made a splash in the Chinese market, but it was helpless, but now it was dying and almost withdrew from the Chinese market. Although not long ago, the group headquarters issued a statement saying that they will never give up the Chinese market. But if you rely on the headquarters to pay money, it is difficult to imagine how long Peugeot can support.

Peugeot can't sit still, 608 hits the peak of face value, want to compete with the Asian dragon?
Many consumers and industry experts have analyzed that the main reason why French cars have entered today's predicament is that they were too indifferent to Chinese consumers before. Although it was not too late to enter the Chinese market, they still did not take the domestic Consumers are attentive that new cars have not been introduced lately, or the introduction of new models has been severely reduced, and the foreign models are completely two models.

Peugeot can't sit still, 608 hits the peak of face value, want to compete with the Asian dragon?
At that time, the birth of Peugeot 508L turned out to be a fan. However, things did not go as expected, because the product was not adapted to the Chinese market as soon as possible. The Peugeot 508L also gradually declined, and the original market was gradually lost. Although many Peugeot 508L fans are vindicating it, it has been repeatedly explained online It's a stunning product, but helpless, the Chinese market does not seem to need this outdated product, and the Peugeot 508L does not seem to be tumbling any more.

This generation of 508L is dead, and can no longer assume the heavy responsibility of saving legal cars. According to the market share of various models of vehicles announced in China by the China Automobile Association recently, we see that from January to October, only 0.7% of French car brands remain. Peugeot, Citroen, Renault, Ds and other four brands, combined sales Less than 1% of the Chinese automotive market. The situation of French cars in the country, as recently said by a person in the board of directors of Peugeot Citroen Group in a foreign media interview, "we are only one step away from having to withdraw from China. It is really serious."

However, as Shenlong Automobile emphasizes, "it will not withdraw from the Chinese market." Not long ago, Peugeot exposed a fake photo of its new model. Judging from the photos, this time, Peugeot's French romance seems to be beginning to understand the Chinese. We have learned that the positioning of the Peugeot 608 is a medium and large-sized sedan. After its listing, it will compete with Asian Dragon and Huiang models.

Peugeot can't sit still, 608 hits the peak of face value, want to compete with the Asian dragon?
In fact, the car had already begun to take shape in early 2015. It was reported in many media in 2015, but it was positioned as a four-door coupe. After these years, Peugeot obviously changed its original strategy. From the appearance point of view, the Peugeot 608 adopts the Peugeot family-style design style. The front face is our familiar dot matrix metal grille. At the same time, the LED daytime running light band is integrated with the interior of the lamp group. The body lines are still the streamline we are familiar with, with a French romance. Compared with the previously emphasized personality, Peugeot 608 seems to be a lot more mellow. Obviously, in this generation of models, Peugeot has found the aesthetic needs of Chinese consumers.

In terms of interior, there is not much information flowing out yet. In terms of power, it is said that it will be similar to this generation of Peugeot 508L. It is also said that hybrid and 2.0T will be added, and the transmission system will match the 8-speed automatic manual transmission.

Peugeot can't sit still, 608 hits the peak of face value, want to compete with the Asian dragon?

This may be the final battle for French cars. If the sales performance is still poor, I am afraid we will witness Suzuki's withdrawal from the Chinese market and witness the collective retreat of French cars. As an automobile practitioner, Xiaobian still has a slight love for brands such as Peugeot and Citroen. I hope that this time, Peugeot 608 can really stand up and be priced reasonably. It is best to start at around 200,000.
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 17:26
Encore la
508 not work then 608! This new car in the French system will explode, with an appearance comparable to a sports car and more handsome than an Accord
2019-11-23 15:30:11 Bear watching at home

Among the many brands in China, indeed, many brands have always been solid, but some brands have not achieved their expected goals, and they are even a long way from their expected goals. The German and Japanese brands have always been eye-catching in the market and have attracted much attention from consumers. In comparison, other brands have been ignored by some friends, although they have achieved certain results.

French models have always been more common in the market, but for the past six months, French models have been tepid. Peugeot 508L itself has been given great expectations. At the beginning, it was very popular, but The temperature is constantly falling. Coupled with the impact of other brands, the impact on this car is still great. We do n’t say that it ’s not a car. Since the 508L is not good enough, let ’s look at the 608 again. Maybe it will be a new car that broke out in the French system. Its appearance is very handsome and comparable to a sports car. I don't think even the handsome car Accord is comparable to it!

508 not work then 608! This new car in the French system will explode, with an appearance comparable to a sports car and more handsome than an Accord
I believe many of us still remember very clearly that when the Peugeot 508L was just launched at the time, with its excellent appearance and excellent overall design, it really got a lot of friends' love. In the overall design, with some sports car design It is indeed very similar. We can't find some of the relative weaknesses of this car from its appearance, and the entire design is indeed very beautiful.

As a French model, its overall design is relatively successful, but it is slowly overwhelming in the current automotive market. Now we will discuss this car again, in fact, it is not particularly large. But we also have to admit that the car has been very successful in terms of styling.

508 not work then 608! This new car in the French system will explode, with an appearance comparable to a sports car and more handsome than an Accord
A friend of mine had paid more attention to this car before, and he personally stated that the car is very smooth in line, and the overall layering is more beautiful, especially the upturned duck tail wings at the rear of the car, which can make the car feel To a stronger sports style, and the layered sense of the whole body is also very good.

Of course, each of us has different aesthetics. I don't know what people think about the appearance of this car. I personally think that as a French model, it also has many elements such as fashion, romance, and sports.

In the recent period of time, we haven't learned more and more relevant information about the Peugeot 608. We just saw a rendering of the Peugeot 608. This car is also a brand-new model about to be launched. As a whole, it It is higher than the 508L by a higher level.

It is more oriented towards positioning. It is a medium and large model, and some of its competitors are no longer models such as Camry or Accord. More competitors should be Toyota Crown, Asia Long, Volkswagen Hui Ang and other high-end models.

We can also see some design styles of many Peugeot families from its appearance. For example, its central air intake grille still adopts a family design style. For them, this is called a starry embellishment. Let's just say, and he also made an integrated design on the lower air grille, giving a big mouth feel, making the entire front face look lower.

This is also one of the aspects. Another aspect is that its central intake grille is connected to the headlights. At the same time, it reduces the design style of a lion claw of the headlights, which seems to be more restrained. It is precisely because of this design It even makes the entire front face very sharp.

Compared to this car, its hierarchy will be more obvious. Why do you say that? We can see that his waistline on the side is very straight and has a strong sense of angle. It extends from the headlights to the taillights at the rear of the car. From the side, it has a very layered sense, and it looks like the entire car is lying on the ground. The visual sense is stronger. This design allows the car to render a higher and more full sense of sport.

508 not work then 608! This new car in the French system will explode, with an appearance comparable to a sports car and more handsome than an Accord
In our current market, the Peugeot 508L has a good configuration in terms of power, and the adjustment of the power is also relatively high. It is mainly equipped with a 1.6T turbocharged engine and a 1.8T turbocharged engine. Matching are 6AT manual automatic transmission and 8AT automatic manual transmission. The car's performance in terms of power is still relatively sufficient, and it can satisfy the hobby of many of our friends.

Although the Peugeot 508L is very powerful in terms of power and can meet the driving experience and desire of many people, this car does not perform particularly well in the current automotive market. One of the reasons is in terms of cost performance . Many of our friends are quite good about cost-effective models, but this car has not made better adjustments in terms of cost-effectiveness.

Many friends also hope that after the Peugeot 608 it will have a better performance in terms of cost performance, so that it will be more in line with our domestic automobile market, and at the same time it will have a better performance when competing with other brand models Rank.
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 17:28
C’est un peu compliqué de lire ça, quand on parle pas anglais
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 17:29
Meme quand on parle anglais, la trad est laborieuse, je te rassure !

Mais en grios les chinois imagine que peugeot lancerait une 608 à la place de la 508L ... Et ce pourrait etre la 508 europeenne ...
Ils reprochent aussi la 508L d'etre depassee et pas adaptee au marche.
Cependant ils disent aussi que le client veut "mieux" et "moins cher" donc l'equation est clairement pas facile à resoudre surtout que 508L n'est pas vieille et a ete developpee pour eux ...
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 17:39
Et encore:

Bon cette 608 semble etre une 508L sans les dents donc plus classique.
Je me demande si ce n'est pas une... DS9 a la Peugeot...
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Citroen's October sales have not yet been impressive, DS sells 8 cars a month, can French cars still stand up?
Citroen's October sales have not yet been impressive, DS sells 8 cars a month, can French cars still stand up?

Recently, the exposure of a rendering of the Peugeot 608 has caused a lot of discussion among netizens. At the same time, the netizen said that the appearance and style of the 508L are very similar, using the same design language, but the details There are certain improvements. The fang-type daytime running lights are gone, a little less sporty and sexy, and more in line with the calmness and aura of medium and large cars. However, this 608 should not be a product to be invested in, because overseas 608 has been breaking news for a long time, and has not been shown.

Citroen's October sales have not yet been impressive, DS sells 8 cars a month, can French cars still stand up?
So even if there is such a car, can it compete with Asian Dragon, Lacrosse and other models to stimulate the growth of French car sales?

Citroen's October sales have not yet been impressive, DS sells 8 cars a month, can French cars still stand up?
Once the status of French cars is comparable to the public, and is also the first choice for thousands of families to buy cars, but the development of consumer demand in recent years has caused French cars to gradually lose their names in the auto market. The existence of French cars is getting lower and lower, and many netizens have not experienced it directly. Just look at the sales in October.

In the just-concluded October, even though the auto market failed to usher in the peak season of gold, nine and silver, many car companies also recovered to a certain extent from the same period last year, but obviously not applicable to French brands. In October, Peugeot sold 6,164 vehicles a month, not selling JAC and Dongfeng Fengshen, while another well-known French brand Citroen sold only 3,566 vehicles a month, not selling as much. It should be noted that there are currently 9 models of Citroen under sale (including imported C4 PICASSO), and Qoros has only two models, the Qoros 5 and Qosor 3, to support the facade. However, according to sales data, the monthly sales of Qoros 2 models is 3861, which is obvious.

Citroen's October sales have not yet been impressive, DS sells 8 cars a month, can French cars still stand up?
The Renault, which once sold two million SUVs each month, now sells only 953 units in October, and has only sold 11,811 units in 10 months, which is comparable to the single-month sales during the peak period. As for the French luxury brand DS, only 8 were sold in October, ranking second in the list of car companies, with only 1,163 cumulative sales in 10 months.

Seeing this data, I believe you must have a very specific understanding of the current situation of French cars, how miserable French cars are in the current car market, the data explains everything. Made with painstaking efforts, the Peugeot 508L, which is known as the hope of turning over, has also been folded. The sales volume has never been able to turn up any splashes, and the monthly sales volume is around 500. So even if there is a new car on the market, assuming that 608 can save the market?

Citroen's October sales have not yet been impressive, DS sells 8 cars a month, can French cars still stand up?
Obviously unrealistic. After all, competition in the B + and above fields is more intense. Lacrosse and Taurus have been working for many years, and the sales figures are not very good. The C-class car market has continued to lower the threshold for luxury brands. The S90 has fallen below 300,000. Sales are only struggling at more than 3,000 vehicles. Even if the Peugeot 608 really comes, the prospects are not optimistic.

Because of the problems that French cars now face, it can no longer be saved by introducing any model or maintaining the original design of the concept car. Even if French cars start to listen to market feedback and adjust the vehicle, the value preservation and retention Such issues still limit the sales performance of models.

Citroen's October sales have not yet been impressive, DS sells 8 cars a month, can French cars still stand up?

No one doubts the strength of French cars to build a good car. So far, French car owners have a very positive reputation for French cars. Driving texture and stability are the biggest license plates of French cars, but from the perspective of model competitiveness, the French system The car does not have an advantage, and the market is not well understood. There is no obvious advantage in the variety of model choices and price points. It is extremely difficult to stand out from the popular models. To put it plainly, the price of a French car has not yet reached its current position in the car market and consumer expectations. The 508L is not a bad car, but the price is not in place.
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 17:41
Ah desolé, c'est une traduction Google de Chinois a Anglais.

Par default je traduis en anglais plutot que francais....
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 18:03
Sinon, gros espoirs pour cette 2008 en Chine, qui est apparemment plutot bien recue.
Elle a le moteur 1.6l en Chine, il me semblait que ce moteur n'etait pas prevu sur CMP...

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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 18:17
C'est quand même dingue de lire que des chinois préféreraient la 508 européenne à la 508L, alors que cette dernière a été développée spécifiquement pour eux. Il y a décidément quelque chose qui ne tourne pas rond dans le processus de prise de décision pour la Chine chez PSA.
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 18:46
jeremy.klaxonne a écrit:C'est quand même dingue de lire que des chinois préféreraient la 508 européenne à la 508L, alors que cette dernière a été développée spécifiquement pour eux. Il y a décidément quelque chose qui ne tourne pas rond dans le processus de prise de décision pour la Chine chez PSA.

Pas forcement, ils doivent preferer le style de la 508 europeenne, mais ca ne veut pas dire qu'ils l'acheteraient, car dans ce niveau de gamme, le chinois s'attend a une certaine habitabilité que n'a pas la 508...
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Ce n’est pas de très bonne augure pour la DS9 qui se rapproche quand même pas mal de la 508L...
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 21:39
jeremy.klaxonne a écrit:C'est quand même dingue de lire que des chinois préféreraient la 508 européenne à la 508L, alors que cette dernière a été développée spécifiquement pour eux. Il y a décidément quelque chose qui ne tourne pas rond dans le processus de prise de décision pour la Chine chez PSA.
C'est pourtant le centre technique de dpca avec des chinois qui décide de ce qu'il faut pour le marché chinois. Donc là je vois pas ce qui peut être fait
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 22:47
jeremy.klaxonne a écrit:C'est quand même dingue de lire que des chinois préféreraient la 508 européenne à la 508L, alors que cette dernière a été développée spécifiquement pour eux. Il y a décidément quelque chose qui ne tourne pas rond dans le processus de prise de décision pour la Chine chez PSA.


Faut voir, car si les constructeurs allemands développent une flopée de version L de leurs berlines européennes, ce n'est pas pour rien.

Vu le niveau de ventes atteint par Peugeot actuellement, on peut discuter du bien-fondé d'une version spécifique à la Chine. Par contre, il y a 4 ans quand ils ont commencé son développement, ça devait paraître impératif.
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le Mar 26 Nov 2019 - 23:14
Bern a écrit:Sinon, gros espoirs pour cette 2008 en Chine, qui est apparemment plutot bien recue.
Elle a le moteur 1.6l en Chine, il me semblait que ce moteur n'etait pas prevu sur CMP...

En vente en Mars 2020
Si, si le 1,6 etait "prevu" sur cmp, mais il a ete annule en europe en derniere minute face à la durete des objectifs co2 ...
Le 225ch etait liste sur servicebox sur la 208 par exemple ... Ca avait occasionné un grand debat ici Very Happy
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Vincelebourrin a écrit:
Bern a écrit:Sinon, gros espoirs pour cette 2008 en Chine, qui est apparemment plutot bien recue.
Elle a le moteur 1.6l en Chine, il me semblait que ce moteur n'etait pas prevu sur CMP...

En vente en Mars 2020
Si, si le 1,6 etait "prevu" sur cmp, mais il a ete annule en europe en derniere minute face à la durete des objectifs co2 ...
Le 225ch etait liste sur servicebox sur la 208 par exemple ... Ca avait occasionné un grand debat ici Very Happy

Je confirme pour le débat Laughing
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le Mer 27 Nov 2019 - 0:32
Je me rappelle qu'on disait qussi que la base n'etait pas previe pour le 1.6l, mais que Peugeot Sport allait faire des modifications pour le faire rentrer et developper une version GTI...
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default Re: [Actualité] Groupe PSA

le Mer 27 Nov 2019 - 0:34
Bern a écrit:Je me rappelle qu'on disait qussi que la base n'etait pas previe pour le 1.6l, mais que Peugeot Sport allait faire des modifications pour le faire rentrer et developper une version GTI...

certains journaux le prétendaient, à tort ...
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